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Here We Go Again: Satanic Panic & the Epstein Files
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Are we living through a second "Satanic Panic," or are the receipts finally catching up to the monsters?
This week, Connie and I are performing a sociological autopsy on the collision of the 2026 Epstein File Dump and the rise of the "New Moral Panic."
Following the DOJ’s massive release of 3.5 million unredacted pages this year, the internet has become a digital war zone. We’re moving past the headlines to ask: Why is our culture responding to real, systemic horror by reviving the paranoid scripts of the 1980s?
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Hello, hello, hello, and welcome back to another episode of Newsca. We are still alive. We're still here. And we're here for a whole freaking episode. Uh Connie. Hello, hello. How are you?
SPEAKER_02I I got here. I'm here. I'm alive. I did. We're doing it. We're making another episode.
SPEAKER_00Give, please give Connie your claps and your praise and your sympathy because it's like the nighttime for her on the other side of the world. It's first thing in the morning for me.
SPEAKER_02That's okay. I'm here. She's here.
SPEAKER_00She's here. Um and she's super pumped to talk about the Epstein files and satanic panic, which is what we're going to be digging into today. Because for those who are paying close attention, a lot of the people who are still talking about the Epstein files are framing it very much as look, the devil done did it. And that is not anything new. We're seeing a new satanic panic kind of amp up, not just around the Epstein Files, but around the war in Iran, around these financial crashes that are impending in the United States. And we're spinning right back around into some really crazy cycles. And the satanic panic stuff is such a big part of it. So I figured it'd be a great day today for me to info dump on everybody, especially Connie, with lots of historical context and facts, so that we can kind of spot the pattern that's going on, because this is this is probably one of the most dangerous things that's happening right now to manipulate the American public. And it's very intentional.
SPEAKER_02No, if I could interject, the one thing I need to like let everyone know is like I had to scrape my brain out of the crunchy pipeline. So I am hyper aware of like all of the ways that a lot of the people that are like super deep in this whole belief system that like you know the Cheeto Puff guy is like this all amazing person, and there's no way all these bad things are actually happening. And la la, like I know the the pipeline that these people have been thrown down and they have had like so much brainwashing that it's no surprise that satanic panic has been their like go-to.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it's it's it is like a repeatedly one of the American go-tos. And it makes sense because you know, shit is tough right now and it is scary. And when things are tough and when things are scary, when people are financially maxed out, when they're emotionally maxed out, they're physically maxed out, they feel absolutely hopeless and powerless because in so many ways they are, it becomes very, very easy to turn to God, spirituality, and a lot of people who use those spaces to take advantage and to create a lot of chaos. And it's all tied into politics, it's all tied into the quality of our world, it it does all matter. And it literally is all a part of our material reality, unfortunately.
SPEAKER_02Fortunately. I think it's so crazy though, because as someone who doesn't go towards organized religion, I I almost refuse to go towards religious belief when I have a hard time. I'm like, no, like action is the one thing that I can do and I have control over, is physically making a like an action towards change in my circumstance. Why would I be like, oh, Sky Daddy, Sky Daddy, please, Sky Daddy, give me all of the things I need, and I'll just stand here waiting.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I think for me, I'm the same way as well. Like, I it's the last thing that I revert to, but I grew up in the Bible Belt in America. So I associate with I associate religion and everyone, I think people are like, oh, you had a bad time in a church. No, my friend, I basically have tried everything Baptist, Methodist, Lutheran, Episcopalian, Catholicism. I've gone through the fucking spread. You know, I've sat in Presbyterian churches. I had to go to Baptist fucking summer camp, which is just absolutely horrific. My uh some of my family were hardcore Baptists, fundamentalist Baptists for a while. And so I associate time and time and time again across the board all the worst people I know with religion, because time and time and time and time and time again, for 20 plus years growing up, every terrible human being you met was like front pew, front pew every Sunday, including people in my own family. So, you know, it's hard for me to understand, but it it does. That's what happens, you know. And I heard someone the other day that gave a great example. They said you'll see it in prison systems. So many people that go into prison systems become super, super, super religious. And it's because that's the only thing they have, and they're in a hopeless, powerless situation, and that's the one thing they're allowed.
SPEAKER_02100%. My sperm donor went in non-religious, atheist as all how, did one of the most despicable things a person could do. Come out as a devout Christian, carrying his Bible.
SPEAKER_00Russell Brand carrying a Bible into a rape trial that he's been accused of.
SPEAKER_01That guy used to walk around in like a pair of shorts with no underwear, 24-7, like covered in grease.
SPEAKER_00With his owl's nest hair, yeah. Like it's and his completely like zandied out eyes. Yeah, like unbelievable. It was ketamine, ketamine through the roof. And now he's carrying a Bible into church. It's like, get out of here, Russell. Get out, get out, get out. But this is all this is what is all tied to this exact culture, these like predatory men suddenly becoming religious. It's all tied into satanic panic, and it happens over and over and over and over again.
SPEAKER_02They never read that one passage in the Bible that's like if you like pedophile or a fucking sexual predator, you need to be tied with a lodestone and chucked into the sea.
SPEAKER_00Like no, they never read those verses. Who would read those verses? You can't read the verses that actually have some like moral teachings. That's not the point. The point is to only read the things that justify the positive things in your reality, right? That like that's it. Because they also never want to talk about Philistines or Pharisees. And I'm always like, you guys are all fucking Pharisees the way you want. Anyway, ask a Christian about a Pharisee sometimes and watch the blank look slide over their face. But it's all it's all tied together, it's all tied into this satanic panic, and satanic panic now is being used again to try to obscure not only the Epstein files, but to confuse people, to water things down, to make things sensationalized at the same time. And we're gonna we're gonna dispel you today of that, that little that little trickery. So if you've been thinking that Moloch the devil is in the Epstein files, let me just go ahead and clarify. No, no, he is not. He's not in the Epstein files.
SPEAKER_02Like, what are you?
Defining Satanic Ritual Abuse
SPEAKER_00It's it's and it's what's really crazy is when we get to that, that we're gonna get into specifically like some alleged emails that people have been spreading online and what they say. And when you hear other stories, you're gonna go, right, all of that's bullshit. Basically, everything we're being told on the news and social media about the Epstein files is complete and utter fucked fantasy. But right, so satanic panic. When we say satanic panic, what are we talking about specifically? And for the purposes of this episode, you're gonna hear satanic panic, but you're also gonna hear satanic ritual abuse, S-R-A. And what that is, is overall overwhelmingly, it is the physical, sexual, mental, emotional torture and abuse of children in a ritualized manner, like black robes, cloaks, a bunch of people trying to summon the devil for the purposes of like supernatural calamity. That's that's essentially like like what it comes down to. This brand of satanic panic that we're seeing now, it it's it's not new, but the roots go way deeper than just like what we're gonna be talking about today with the McMillan preschool trial and all that kind of stuff. It goes all the way back to ye old witch trials and your medieval peasant ancestors, and Connie's just like, here comes the historical context. Oh shit, here it comes.
SPEAKER_02Everything I need it because my brain already started singing K sera sera because like S R A. And I was like, Oh, that kind of sounds like Sarah.
SPEAKER_01Okay, Sarah, Sarah. Oh shit. I should stop.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, fair enough. Yeah, but the the this kind of satanic panic stuff that gets whipped up around like social unrest, political unrest when your peasant ancestors didn't have enough food to eat and they started looking at the lords, like, where's my food, buddy? You're living in a castle. These kind of panics would whip up. You would see them in medieval England. They had, I went to York years ago and I did a tour, and there's a huge tower in the middle of York. It's like one of the most famous things you can see because it's this beautiful stone tower on a hill, and it's the only thing that's left of a fortress that was once there. But what happened, and I think it was like 1140 or something like that, the town, which was suffering because plagues and war and death and disease and being medieval sucked. They started looking at the Jewish population and going, Oh, it's your fault. You guys are the devil, you work with the devil, and you we use the devil to take everything away from us. So we need to kill all of you and all of your children. And so the Jewish citizens fled into this tower and tried to save themselves, but eventually the people in York burned them alive inside the tower. Super fun. Super, super, super fun. But then you fast forward, you know, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years, and you have the Salem witch trials, which again, being in Salem sucked. It was very, very miserable. Everybody was fighting over land and money, and they were all a bunch of greedy fucks. Salem witch trials happen. People start killing women in each other's families and accusing, you know, powerful or not powerful men or men who had land that neighbors wanted, and all this kind of stuff. So this is not new.
SPEAKER_02It's getting that whole like Breden Circuses kind of 100%, 100%.
SPEAKER_00It's like a bloodletting almost. Like it is, it's like the powerful and they'll stop.
SPEAKER_02Give them give them a circus and some food, and then we'll just escape out the back door.
Roots In Witch Trial Scapegoating
SPEAKER_00Yeah, except they just they don't give people food, they never give people food anymore, but yeah, it's a hundred percent bread and circuses, hundred percent, and that's what we're seeing again. We're seeing that right now with the Epstein files. But we saw if you're a millennial listening to this or a Gen Xer listening to this, uh, we grew up amidst satanic panic, a very like media infested satanic panic that was, you know, you couldn't turn on Oprah or Ricky Lake or Jerry Springer, you couldn't turn on a television so Maury was all about it without seeing satanic children, satanic devil worshipers, the devil is coming to your child through World of War or Dungeons and Dragons. That was the big one when I was a kid. They said Dungeons and Dragons was satanic and caused kids to become Satanists, which doesn't even make sense. But that that's what that's what essentially is is happening again at the moment. How how are we so far?
SPEAKER_02How is how is sitting in a room with a bunch of friends playing a tabletop game is interesting? How is the any worse than going and sitting at an altar which you were told in the book you read not to go and worship it?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, like it's delusional, it is always delusional. It's this weird, and I I think I know everyone's got their own theories. My personal theory is this all comes back to our dipshit extremist pilgrim ancestors that got kicked out of their home countries because they were fucking baddie and nuts in the first place. They were too baddy and nuts to stay there, so they were like, just leave. It all comes back to them. It's like it's it's like inherited craziness, it's delusion, it's fucking, it's there's no, there's no none of this spoiler alert, none of this satanic panic, this sexual abuse, this ritual sexual abuse, none of it has ever happened. There's literally for hundreds of years never been any evidence that any of this has ever happened. They've never been able to find a squirt of evidence, not a shred, not not a spickle or a spackle. So it's all bullshit. It is all absolute bullshit.
SPEAKER_02But if you were to to believe a fanciful, fanciful, a fucked up story, basically, that seems so out the gate, then to believe the reality that these people are predators and they are sexual.
Movies Cults And 1970s Fear
SPEAKER_00Huge, huge, huge, huge part of it. That's a huge part of it. The the satanic panic that spun off in the 80s, where that actually came from was so after World War II, we get into the 50s. And what were the 50s? They were like really, really rigid and restrictive, and we had McCarthyism where you had to be this ultimate American and you could not even so much as look at the word communism without getting sent to jails, getting sent to camps and prisons and all this kind of stuff. So then in the 60s and 70s, you see peace and love, you see hippies, and at the same time, in the 60s and 70s, the US government, I actually didn't know this, it was illegal in the US before I think it was like 1968 or something, to practice openly like any Asian religion so that they weren't they weren't allowed to have any Asian missionaries, so like no Buddhists, nothing like that. That was illegal, it was illegal, and you couldn't start any new religions. There, they you were restricted to Mormonism and all the old Christian religions, Baptist, Presbyterian, Methodist, yada yada yada. Right.
SPEAKER_02And it made all those laws that make it so that churches can can not pay taxes at that point. So they're like, no, these guys pay the most money to us, so they keep us afloat. So you need to go to them so we can stay having money. And then they were like, wait up, we'll make a law where we can just collect your money anyway.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah. It's like the it America is the biggest MLM that has ever existed. It's it's fucked, it's absolutely fucked. So in this that law gets passed in the 60s, and all of a sudden, these Asian religions can have missionaries, you can have Buddhist temples, you got the Hari Krishna's and all that kind of stuff. Hari Krishna's, Hare Krishna. I don't know which which I don't know what pronunciation is right.
SPEAKER_02It's pronounced Hare Krishna.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I don't know. The I in the South are always Hari Krishna's. Yeah, who the fuck knows? But you have this big burst of these new exotic is what they were, you know, is what these people in the 50s were thinking of them, religions. And you see people flooding to it because they had been stuck in all these like really restrictive, awful, oppressive Christian churches all their lives. So they start, I'm gonna go wear orange robes and ding around in a train station in New York. Fine, whatever. At the same time, at the end of the 60s and the 70s, you also had this huge explosion of these, like the big, the big horror films. So you have the exorcist comes out, Rosemary's Baby comes out, the Omen comes out, it's all for you, Damien. You know, like all of that kind of stuff. And that went off like a nuclear fucking bomb in the wake of the 60s, like or in the wake of the 50s, because people, I mean, people were passed out in the theater of the exorcist in America. People were like throwing up on themselves.
SPEAKER_02Who funded those movies?
SPEAKER_01Truly, yeah, right, right.
SPEAKER_02Because we know that the military industrial complex funds a shit ton of like basically propaganda films already.
SPEAKER_00Like that's a known thing, and it was huge propaganda for Christianity, huge because people got so scared they went and joined churches.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it's it's so easy to control a population that wants to find some sort of sense of control for themselves and absolutely organize religion, give someone that it that's exactly what it is, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, um, and it was it was really bad. It scared those movies, they scared people, especially people who had already kind of been raised like towards that fundamentalism. And then at that same time, coincidentally, you've got stars like Mike Warnkey who comes out, and Mike Warnkey was this big like comedian personality. He like he wasn't on a talk show, but he would go on talk shows and give interviews. He was just a personality. I I struggle calling him a comedian, but he had stand-up routines. But he came out in 1972 with this book saying, Oh, I used to run a cult, a Satanist cult of 1,500 people, and we used to farm babies, and we used to eat the the feces out of their intestines, which is something they're saying right now about Jeffrey Epstein. The same thing is being said about the Jeffrey Epstein thing. On and on and on and on and on.
SPEAKER_01We don't record these, these, these podcasts.
SPEAKER_00We record the reactions. But he it was he had this all these crazy stories, and he would sit on stage and he would tell some awful jokes, and then he would talk about like, yeah, we used to cut open the babies and we'd cut the women open and we'd farm the babies and we'd fuck the kids and just like really ridiculous stuff that he had no proof for.
SPEAKER_02Because he also this world was like the most downhill career to be like, no, what bandwagon do I need to jump on? Because my narcissistic stupid ass cannot be crazy.
SPEAKER_00I think he's still around, he might be dead by now, but he like never got in trouble or anything. He he died rich with multiple homes. Jesus. Yeah, yeah. So it's like unbelievable. So he he then, when he comes out, he's adding flames to these fires. Of we've got these big demonic movies out that everyone's scared of that are about demons and devils and possession. And then you've got all these weird religions suddenly everywhere, and all these oh the church of Satan was created during this time as well, as like a fuck you to the to the Christian church. So people are like going, Oh my god, there's a church of Satan, there's an actual church of devil worshipers, and there's devil movies coming out. And Mike Warnkey says he has 1,500 devil worshippers farming our kids. And then the Tate La Bianca murkers happen with the Manson family. Wonderful, wonderful. So then we've got cults. So everyone, America's turning into a fucking frenzy, and all the wonderful money and the boom of immediately post-World War II is starting to fade. People are starting to struggle for money. It's starting to look really grim. New York looked like something out of Mad Max in the 70s, like just like crazy. Serial killers everywhere, people being murdered everywhere, unbelievable violence in the US, and then now you've got all this devil stuff spinning up, and people hopeless, broke, living in disgusting cities, start looking at this. They start turning to this as like maybe this is why things are so bad. Thus, our first big modern satanic panic got born in America from all of this, from all of the all of this calamity, which is pretty much what you see happening right now of people financially struggling and war starting, and they can't afford groceries or fuel to get to their jobs and on and on.
SPEAKER_02And like at the moment, we can watch it on our phones and it'd be this like in the internet space thing. But like back then, like it had extreme real world consequences. Like this affected so many situations for people.
Michelle Remembers And False Memories
SPEAKER_00It was for decades, for decades, for decades. One of one of the big kickoffs to we're we're about to get into the McMartin preschool trial and scandal, which is horrific, horrific, horrific. But it's important to know that that there's this little bridge in between that. So we've got that high, we've got Mike Warnickey spreading stories and all this shit, and people are really spooked. 1980 hits. And a book comes out called Michelle called Michelle Remembers. Now, this book has now been totally debunked, absolutely debunked. I couldn't even, it's so bad. It's so badly written. The whole thing is, I can't believe people bought this. But it was called Michelle Remembers. Like, and it was sold as an autobiography uh as a real fucking story. And it was sold, what was her name? Her name's Michelle Smith, and her husband, who is a fucking psychologist, he was a licensed psychologist, Lawrence Pasder, and they released this book. Now, this book is allegedly Michelle's story, convenient timing, convenient, convenient fucking timing. Uh, is Michelle's story of being a child and being gangbanged by a satanic cult, and she just tells like crazy ass stuff. She's like, I got abducted and locked in a basement and forced to have a child at seven or whatever, like just really absurd stuff off the wall. She was going on TV, she was doing radio interviews and all this stuff, going, it hurt. There's a burning in my rectum. It's like that, that is that. If you're a law, last podcast fan, you can go and listen to their episode on this, and they go a lot more into it. But she just tells this grotesque, disgusting, absurd story about all this stuff being done to her when she was a kid, right? Turns out people found her school yearbook. So all this time she was supposed to have been abducted and kept in basements. There's multiple pictures of her in her school yearbook, like playing with other kids, totally fine, totally happy, totally smiling, totally where she's supposed to be. Yeah. Her her father and her sisters came out later and were like, this is absurd. The whole thing is ridiculous. Like, we didn't even say anything. It's like, why would you why would anyone believe this? It's like clearly fucking absurd.
SPEAKER_02Compulsive lying can really just fucking flourish sometimes. It did.
McMartin Preschool Media Machine
SPEAKER_00It took down a whole fucking family of people. It spun into the West Memphis 3. That book, Michelle Remembers, was the last fire because after that, it literally within three years, you had the Mick Martin preschool trial. And that was where this with this woman, Judy Johnson, out of nowhere, she's obviously been like reading Michelle Remembers, who also was talking about cutting babies open and stuff like that. The same exact lines we're hearing about Epstein. This Judy Johnson woman, 1983, her son's in preschool. She all of a sudden goes to the police and says, My ex-husband and someone at the preschool have been sodomizing my child, and they are doing witchcraft, and they have been flying around the rooms and they have been like torturing animals and sacrificing them to the devil. And the police go, Okay, well, we're we're gonna look into this. They go to the preschool. There's clearly no evidence of this. Clearly, no evidence at the preschool of this because it's fucking absurd. It's absolutely ridiculous. Her kid had, I don't remember what he had eaten something, and so he had diarrhea. And then he had scratched his butt and it had turned red. And so she decided that someone had raped her son because he had diarrhea. That like unreal. The police, after conducting a preliminary, like little questioning investigation, don't see anything, don't find anything. And instead of letting it go, they send a letter to 200 parents at the preschool saying, We are investigating this preschool for satanic ritual abuse. We believe your child might have been abused. This huge, huge letter that they send out to every parent in this preschool, which then spun into a huge thing because the media then took it, and the media immediately started reporting devil worship, cannibalism of children, secret tunnels under preschool. They're flying the kids to Palm Springs during the day and sacrificing animals in front of them. It turned into such a media storm that they actually ended up arresting. They they ended up arresting the woman, the old woman who owned the daycare, who I don't even think she worked there anymore. She was just the old woman who who owned it. Her daughter, her grandson, her granddaughter, and then like three or four teachers. They arrest all of these people. They end up charging them with 321 counts of abuse of children tied to satanic ritual abuse. And then you go and you see the way they were questioning these children. They would go to the children and be like, Who touched your hiney? And the kid would go, and they go, Well, who touched it? No, you have to tell me who touched your hiney. And the kid had never said anything about this. They were asking all these leading questions. They were giving these questions to the media, giving these videos to the media, and the media was just reporting it as this happened. It's satanic ritual abuse. They're flying kids across the country during the day and flushing them down toilets. Is this the one? Okay, because now I'm like having flashbacks.
SPEAKER_02Is this the one where the little girl is like having an interview? She's a little blonde girl, and she's like explaining all of the things that happened in her kindy and how her dad would like come to the kindy and like they would go into these other rooms and she she like talks about having to like needles in my eyeballs and cut my eyes open.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Like this full-on interview. She's in a full-blown like interview room with cops, like they're like basically coaxing her into this like elaborate story of baby killing, basically.
SPEAKER_00100%. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02And like, but the thing is, is like I watched that in the crunchy pipeline. I had no like have no basis of understanding of like critical thinking. Yeah. People that like that see that and go, Oh, yep, yep, that makes sense. That may I'd believe it. And that's one of the biggest sentences you'll hear from people. You say a crazy fucking thing to a conspiracy theorist, and they I'll believe it, I'll believe it. No, you shouldn't fucking believe it. Don't believe a damn thing that anyone fucking says unless you can prove it.
How Fantasy Hides Real Abuse
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it was absurd and it became a media circus. This this lasted seven years. The the the male employee that got arrested, Ray Buckley, he was in prison for five years before they let him out on bail for absurd charges that were not real. And the media for seven fucking years, just constantly satanic abuse. Look at all these children that have been abused, look at all these children who've been abused. And this was such a media shitstorm that basically as soon as this hit, over a hundred other daycares across America, a hundred other preschools, the parents started calling in and saying, This is happening to my kid too. I'm having they're being flushed down toilet and sacrificed to the devil. Like it became a huge, like absolutely fucking insane. And it was still going on in the 90s when the West Memphis 3 happened. But here's what I find so, so, so, so, so interesting, and kind of like what we need to focus on in this episode. This book, Michelle Remembers, right, gets released in 1980. She's telling crazy stories, the same exact stories in the same language that we're hearing now around the Epstein Files. The McMartin preschool thing is happening 1983. Crazy, insane calamity sucks up all the media. What was happening at the same time in America, which a lot of people are not, I don't think anyone's even aware. I wasn't until I started researching for this episode. At the same time in America, 1980 to 1983, the laws across America were changing on mandated reporting for child abuse. And they specifically in California, the laws had changed about incest and it was then illegal, and you had to report incest to the authorities. Because of the law changes, child abuse rates skyrocketed. Skyrocketed. They had to start offering plea deals to fathers. So many fathers were getting in trouble for fucking their kids that they had to offer them plea deals because they couldn't just be putting like 80% of the fucking dads that were coming in in prison. This started to trickle into the news. It started to trickle into reality. Like, look at all this abuse that's happening in families, look at all this sexual abuse that's happening in churches, look at all this sexual abuse that's happening in schools, in sports, in scouts, all of this stuff was coming out. And what do you know? The media decides to go crazy about satanic ritual abuse, which is nonsense, fantasy. And every time the the McMartin preschool trial ended up being a waste of time, they did this for seven years, and then everyone got acquitted because it was bullshit, and there was no way to prove any of it because none of it was real. None of it. There were no tunnels under the school. The kids had not had their eyeballs sliced open with scissors.
SPEAKER_02Like, yeah, they needed those sensationalist headlines though, so that you know no one was actually looking at how bad the statistics were getting. Because men apparently back then and still to this day need literal laws to tell them they cannot abuse children.
SPEAKER_00Literally, literally. And they didn't even change those laws. They just changed that if you saw something, you had to report it or you could get in trouble. They just changed that law, and that was enough to like we have to come up with a really crazy story that involves child sex abuse so that no one pays attention to the actual child sex abuse that's happening. We're gonna change it into a fantasy story. So then anytime anyone hears, oh, dad arrested for sex abuse, priest arrested for sex abuse, senator arrested for sex abuse, because there was a huge Idaho sex scandal that went on during this time as well. Where some I I think they were state senators in Ohio or in Idaho had basically a whole organized child sex ring going on. There was nothing satanic about it, they were just humans who enjoyed abusing children. This exact satanic panic gets spun up. It gets spun up. So people are struggling economically and all of that that we've talked about. But specifically, this satanic panic thing seems to happen every time there's a huge exposure about predatory men. Every time, every time.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, every time. Because at the end of the day, like it it's easier to believe something crazy or have some dopamine hit from a crazy news headline than it is to accept the fact that these men are predatory, these men are unsane, they are actively abusing children, and they should not be around young people at all.
SPEAKER_00Exactly. Exactly. And it again, the dads didn't pay the price, all of these men that got plea dealed out, all of these rising statistics, the kids didn't get taken care of, the parents didn't get removed from homes, nothing got fixed. But you know what did happen? Three teenagers in West Memphis, Arkansas went to prison for basically the whole of their fucking lives because of this kind of satanic panic bullshit. Because instead of going after predators, when this got spun up, people started going after teenagers in black t-shirts who listened to rock music and painted their nails black.
SPEAKER_02It was rough.
SPEAKER_00I would get called a Satanist all the time. My mom didn't want to be seen with me in public, like when we went into the city and stuff like that, because you it was it was pretty rough. And that was in the 90s and early 2000s, like late 90s, early 2000s. It was absolutely and I I knew this girl in school who was so sweet, but she used to paint her face white and she had her thin little black eyebrows, and people were so brutal to her, just brutal. They would throw stuff at her and call her a Satanist. I'm like, she just writes poetry. Like, what are we talking about here? She sits in the corner and writes poetry. But those are the people who paid the price. It was like that girl that I went to school with. It was not the men who were literally organizing to trade child sex abuse material. Nothing ritual about it. They are just human predators. That's that's it. That's it. And I think that's why I wanted to do this episode today and why I dragged Connie into this lovely, this lovely, fun, super happy, funny episode about child abuse. Because it's we're seeing it again. We're seeing it again right now with the Epstein Files. If you've been online, if you follow online sources, and it's even on some of the mainstream stuff in America, you've seen this conversation around like, oh, they were worshiping Ball, they were worshiping Moloch, the devil, and they they go to Bohemian Grove to like cut kids open and eat cottage cheese out of their intestines and all this kind of stuff. It's all literally recycled from the 1980s and all of this stuff that was released at the same time we started finding out the kids were being abused in families and churches. It's all the same thing, it's intentional disinformation.
SPEAKER_02Anyone that's easily brainwashed will believe it and prosecute anyone. And anyone with critical thinking will look at it or not or just enough critical thinking will look at it and go, Oh, well, that's crazy. I'm not gonna pay any attention to that. Exactly.
SPEAKER_03That's just as dangerous.
SPEAKER_02That's exactly it. We need to actively go, this is not okay. That's factually untrue. Yeah, like these outlets and these people that are not actually framing it in the correct light and actively sensationalize everything, they need to be held accountable just as much as anyone else. 100% because it's it's it's essentially letting like all of these predators go free. Yeah, yeah.
What The Epstein Files Show
SPEAKER_00And it is, it literally is. Yeah, 100%. That's that's that's that's the big thing. That's what if you're listening to this, that's like the one thing. If you don't take anything else away, I need you to take that away from this. That that is the point of this. That is the point of these crazy, ridiculous, sensational stories, exactly as Connie said. Like the people that believe it, they're gonna go running off in one direction like chickens with their heads cut off after absolute nonsense. And then the other half of people who have even just, like you said, a drop of common sense or rationale or historical knowledge or whatever it is, they'll go, Oh, how how ridiculous is this? And they just check out and down the middle, right through the crack, go the predators who are gonna keep doing the abuse, who are just humans who like abusing other humans, and then also through that crack, the victims who get no justice, who get no support, who get no help because everyone's fighting about shit that doesn't exist, that's not real, that has nothing to do with this at all, has nothing to do with the facts. I could tell you as someone I've spent weeks going through these Epstein files, weeks, I hours, hours, hours going through these.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, everyone like E B just casually does this for like fun.
SPEAKER_00Like fun, it's not fun, but you know what I mean. Like, I'm interested in it.
SPEAKER_02It's like yeah, like once you get a hyper focus and you want to learn about something, I've never like I I don't have very many friends that do this as as intently. Like, I want to learn about this thing, reads several different books and scrolls the internet for like five whole days straight, doesn't sleep properly for two weeks.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, like I yeah, my brain goes, gotta know all the things, gotta know all about it. I've been through these, I've been through I've watched the videos. I I've done the little hacks that you can do to change the little endings so you can watch the actual videos. I I know the different data sets. I know data set eight and nine, they're all prison things. Data set nine is gonna be July. Data set eight is June of 2019 in the months when Epstein was in prison. Data set 10 is where they're keeping all the information about the women. That's where all the videos are. There's insane, insane videos from the island that are in there, all kinds of stuff, just crazy stuff. And not once have I ever seen mention of ball or mulloch or any of this shit. There's no rituals, they just get together, have parties, get fucked up on drugs, and fuck children and adults. I think people are also, that's also getting me. In in this, in this, like, look at all these children that were sacrificed to the devil that's going on around this. What about all the women that were abused? There were, there were adult women. Like, do is their abuse not, is there being trafficked not meaningful? Are we only?
SPEAKER_02You know, like everything that women say is we should we should listen to, or or even, you know, I don't even know how to frame this in the right way, but like it's that whole women are being manipulated by the patriarchy and the system as well, by heteronormativity, to to be meek and to listen and to to be this perfect exemplary, exemplary. Oh my god, words for every man to find palatable. And those women are the ones that end up in these traffic situations because they've been the perfect yes man. They've just been saying yes this whole time. Like this is this is the whole reason why I I like tell my kid, I'm like, say no to me. Say no to me in the stupidest reasons. I if it feels uncomfortable, even remotely, even if you don't want to like do this like silly little task that I've asked, say no. Say no, practice it, say it as loud as you possibly can.
SPEAKER_00That's good.
SPEAKER_02That's excellent. If you don't learn to say no, you're going to start saying yes to things you do know.
Why Victims Repeat The Myth
SPEAKER_00Yeah, when in situations when you need to say no. And that's that that is that's so much of that is getting lost in this sensationalism. And I know people as well, they're like, I had someone who got onto me and said, Well, the victim said that it was Satanism. Do you not believe this victim who said it was Satanism? I very much believe the victim was abused. I very much, very much believe the victim was abused. No, I do not believe it was in a satanic ritual. Uh, you can go and watch. There's a documentary called Abducted in Plain Sight. Long story short, a neighbor ends up romancing two parents and then taking their daughter to molest for years and years and years. And he would like take her on camping trips and stuff for weekends away. And as she got older, he started after he would get done molesting her, he would play a tape beside the bed that was like, Oh, I'm an alien. You're you've been chosen by the government to carry my alien child and all this kind of stuff. And she started to genuinely believe that she was being abducted by aliens. And and that was what the story she would have told if someone had stopped then and been like, What's going on? She would have been like, An alien's taking me into the forest to touch me. And people would have been like, Well, that's crazy. Obviously, nothing, like, that's wild. It's the same thing, it's the same thing. You can go and look through MK Ultra documents, they use that kind of stuff.
SPEAKER_02The idea is that satanic ritual abuse is coming from an organized situation.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_02And the only organized religions that there are are literally like Christianity, Catholicism, all these other religions. Because if you look at like Satanism as a whole, like you don't have to go to a church to be a Satanist, like and and follow the tenets of Satanism. There is no satanic ritual abuse because that would entail people actually coming together and like this is not an organized.
SPEAKER_00What is it Henry says about being a Satanist? It's like trying to herd cats, like trying to get Satanists together to agree on something.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah. And I'll tell you right now, cat gangs are a thing, and they're far few in between. They're terrifying to see, and humans don't organize them. Fucking cats do. Cats do. And it's scary.
SPEAKER_00Now, if you told me cats were doing it, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe. But these are just humans, and that's one of the big dangers as well. It's not just disinformation that makes these victims look absurd when they really have experienced abuse. Let me say that again. I think all of these people have experienced abuse. I don't doubt that. But when it's spun into this fantasy, it also like it takes accountability away as well from and it makes these human crimes, it makes these men seem like they're it's some other entity. It was a devil that did it. It was the devil that came through the portal. It was a demon that took them over. If it weren't for the demon or the devil, this person never would have done it. It takes accountability away from the abusers. When no, it was not a demon, it was not a devil, it's a human being. Human beings have done this since human beings have been human beings. Our Cro Magnum ancestors were doing it to the Neanderthals and wipe them out doing it to the Neanderthals. Like this is this is human behavior, well documented for centuries, for millennia. Like this, this is humans doing human shit. And when you try to blame it on a spiritual supernatural force, you're taking accountability away, man. You're allowing an abuser to hide behind something when it's just an abuser who decided to abuse. That's it.
SPEAKER_02We just need to we need to take a leaf out of the bonobos book. Did you re hear what recently happened with five female bonobos completely obliterated a male bonobos are one of the most peaceful primates out there, and they become that way because a virus basically wiped out the majority of the men. They become one of the most peaceful like primates, and like they're having a good time. An older primate decided to try and wail on a young baby. And five five of the females turned around and like fully obliterated him, like beat him a penis off.
SPEAKER_00Nice. Yeah, we need to take that. We need to take a leap out of their book.
SPEAKER_02Down on him. They were like, no fucking way is this happening. And like, this is the level that like humans won't go to because they see it in the animal kingdom and think, well, we're civilized. No motherfuckers, we're not, because there are still uncivilized, predatory men being uncivilized doing that shit.
SPEAKER_00America, especially, cannot call itself civilized because a civilized country wouldn't have that Tim Tebow map that just got put up of all the households they've identified that are downloading child pornography. And it's like something like 348,000 known households. So like arson, you know? Yeah, right. Exactly. Well, I saw someone saying you should rob the house of pedophiles that are on the sexual registry because they're not allowed to own guns and their addresses are on the internet if you need money.
SPEAKER_02Go pretend to go on a date with one of them and rob them. Come just like that obviously.
Stop Blaming Devils Start Accountability
SPEAKER_00We're we're of course we're joking about that. We would never want you to target pedophiles ever. That's awful, awful, awful stuff. We don't cheer for those people that do that ever. No, never. Never, never. Why, why? Wink, wink, wink. We gotta start recording these in video. We gotta start recording this video. But that's that's that's the whole gist of it. That was the gist of the episode, what I thought was really, really important. And I don't see it being talked about. The Epstein stuff is already being swept under the rug, which is absolutely insane because it's like one of the biggest cover-up. It's like the one of the biggest pieces of proof, concrete evidence, how these organizations work, how deep they've penetrated, how the US government works. Psychopathy and sociopathy, man.
SPEAKER_02The entirety of every political system in every single country. That's how fucking bad it is. And if we don't start asking for genuine accountability, we are going to continue to spiral into the depths of like neoliberalist psychopaths and the collapse of capitalism. And the worst thing about it is the countries that are like genuinely doing okay and are not a part of all of this are watching it happen, especially to America, and going, watch this, it's funny. Yeah. Because they can see it happening from the outside. And like, you know, it's it's what countries? America, Australia, England, New Zealand, and one other white country, Canada. All of them, they're all fucking each other in the butthole constantly, trying so hard to be each other's best friend, you know.
SPEAKER_00There's there's yes, and it's because all of these people were all linked together committing the same crimes, rubbing elbows with each other, keeping everything inside the quote unquote family, as it were. Like it's across the board. It we cannot let this conversation drop. We just absolutely cannot let this conversation drop, and above and beyond anything. Look, I know that no one listening to this is probably someone who considers themselves MAGA because you know, I think I've made myself pretty clear over the last year on the internet a year or two. But you need to know that if you're going around slinging stuff like Bohemian Grove from Alex Jones and satanic ritual abuse and kids are being cut open and used as cheese plates and stuff like that. You need to get a like you're you're basically MAGA. If you're going around spreading that this is because of an organized satanic cabal, you are literally doing the work of evangelicizing yourself and everyone else that you talk to with that nonsense and that bullshit. Like it's horrifically dangerous.
SPEAKER_02Eat themselves out of the crunchy pipeline. I was so deeply stuck in those in those thoughts for so long. I cannot stress enough. Like you, if you are hearing something, please do not take it on face value. If if it if it feels like it could be true, go and look it up, go and research, go spend 10 minutes. We literally have supercomputers in our hands. You're probably using the tiny little supercomputer you carry around your fucking pocket to listen to this podcast. Use it. Actually, get go out of your way to do those things. Because if you don't, you will, like EB has said, you will be perpetuating evangelical belief systems that are there to uphold hetophiles.
Research First Before You Share
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and you're no different. If you are echoing this stuff, I'm sorry, and I'm not saying you can't be religious or you can't believe in God or any of that stuff. That's not what I'm saying. But if you're going around spreading this intentional misinformation, disinformation, then you are the same as the evangelicals in America right now who are online cheering for this war with Iran because they think it's gonna bring about the end times. You're delivering the same message, you are operating in the sphere of the same people for their objectives, you are doing the work of the people you claim to hate. So stop it. And the only way you're gonna be able to do that, yes, research stuff, 100% research stuff. Go and look at the McMartin preschool scandal. It's unbelievable. Go in deep, deep, get in deep to the West Memphis three trials and the crimes that happened with those little boys in Robin Hood Hills. That one will really show you satanic panic and its price and how all this stuff works. But please, for the love of all that is holy, you need to be reading the Epstein files. And I know it's heavy, it's dark, some of it's really fucking boring. That's that's the real thing. They're not in here talking about eating people in the files. They're not, it's boring. Most of it is hey, can you make sure that that girl in apartment eight C gets moved? Because so and so is gonna come in there and he wants a different girl for the weekend. He wants this girl to stay longer, he wants that. It's moving around prostitutes, and I'm not saying that's behateful to prostitutes, but I'm just saying that's how they were using these these women, these girls. It's boring. It's very most of it is not sensational. It's just a bunch of old, stinky men who probably were two-minute lays in the first place talking about moving around and having their two minute lays. It's it's boring and gross. It's not sensational, really, in any way. Like it really isn't, but the crimes are there, and you'll see exactly Hollywood is all tied into this. It is all tied together. So please, please, please do your research. Uh, you can go on Jmail is a really good website. It looks like a Gmail account, and you can search through all these emails. There's one called EpsteinSecrets.com, which is absolutely brilliant, which completely dispels all of the eating, the cannibalism, the satanic rituals, all of that stuff, completely discounts them and shows all the traces stuff back to 4chan and all this kind of nonsense. And then, of course, go on the actual government website and read them. Like, go on to the dot gov website and read what's there, download stuff. I download screenshot and bookmark because they're deleting stuff, moving stuff, all that kind of things. But like you need to stop being told what to believe, and you need to like genuinely be looking at these things as hard as it is and forming your own beliefs based on that. And then if you still come down to you think it was the devil, I don't know how to help you. You should probably stop listening to this podcast at that point. Like, I just don't know. If you do think it's Bohemian Grove at the end, I don't know. I don't know. Don't know what to do for you.
SPEAKER_02If you think it's those things, like if you really think it's Bohemian Grove, go visit. Yeah, go there. It's literally to believe some craziest shit if you can't just like go to the place and have a look.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it it's people. I've seen people that get to the gate because it is private property and it's in Seattle, which is a big racist, weird place anyway. But I've seen people go to the gate and it's just like an old overgrown little patch of forest with an old Egyptian statue in it. It's and people don't anyway. Egyptian history is for another day. I won't start that now at the end of the episode, but you get the gist of it. Connie, is there anything else you want to add to this really wonderful episode?
SPEAKER_02Just I guess it's that whole like critical thinking is really hard to have. It's really hard to stop and have critical thought. And it's so important that we do try because we live in a society that is like, yeah, dopamine on your phone anytime you like. But realistically, we've got to have critical thought. We cannot continue to go, oh wow, I'll believe that. Because yeah, the world is fucking crazy. There is fucked up shit happening all the time. There are wars constantly, there are predators in the most fucked up places. But if we don't genuinely look for the genuine truth, not the not the conspiracy truth, the the actual truth where you can hard evidence that shit, like if you're not looking for that, you are perpetuating your own demise. Yeah, you are not helping yourself, you are not helping the betterment of of the the the world that you want to live in. Like if if if you're listening to this and you've got small humans in your life, whether you're an auntie or a mother or a father or an uncle, whatever it may be, a parent, a partner, whatever, you have a duty to try and understand the world you live in. So that the world that those kids grow up in is not like this.
SPEAKER_00Yes. Is not sexy of at all. Yeah, absolutely. Oh, and I will add this stop reading your fucking smut novels and watching your smut shows because it's making you also believe the smut that's being put out in the media about children being abused. Like I that that's one last note I have to leave on, and that's maybe perhaps for a whole nother episode. But people are being conditioned to ingest child pornography when you're constantly being bombarded with these really overtly sexual stories about children being abused constantly 24-7, and then nothing's being done about it. And then you go home to watch your shows about fucking, and then you go to bed at night and put your head down to read your books about fucking. Like you're being conditioned to want these sensational stories to have you're like they're naturalized, they're normalized, and none of this should feel normal. Like it it should not feel normal. So that's the last thing I'll say about that is like put down your monster fucking books, maybe for like five seconds and and kind of think about think about what's going on and like why you're being sold 150 books a year with the tropis. But I can fix him, and it's like a fucking Minotaur that you're having sex with.
SPEAKER_02Anyway, but I can fix him. God, that's a fucking that is a deep, deep rabbit hole in my brain that I could talk about for way too long. If you if you ever have that thought, don't have that thought.
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SPEAKER_00Also, Sarah J. Mass is a huge fucking Zionist, bigot, racist piece of shit. And you shouldn't be reading Sarah J. Mass's books because she's uh uh a scumbag as far as I can tell. So like maybe stop reading them because it's making you believe stupid things about the Epstein files. And that is that, I think. I think we pretty much covered most of what we need to cover, short of like, you know, actually going into the files. So thank you so much for listening. If you enjoyed today's episode, I would really, really appreciate it if you would leave us a five-star review on Apple and Spotify. It just kind of helps the other weirdos find us.
SPEAKER_02And you're hearing us say this, and you don't give us a five-star. You have so little to do with your life. Please do something, Peter. Yeah, five stars.
SPEAKER_00Get them, Connie. Come on.
SPEAKER_02You spent this whole time listening to us talk this shit. Get them, Connie.
SPEAKER_00You're better at this than I am. Get him, get him, get the reviews, get him, get him. Yes, but no, please, seriously, leave a review. That's what like signals these stupid soul-sucking algorithms that people want to listen to this. So, you know, tune in. Well, I'm sure we'll cover the Epstein files again at some point once there's some other big new, huge, ridiculous revelation. As of now, there hasn't been. There's no double. I don't think they were kids. Definitely died, I'm sure, because they these people were into like weird sex stuff and they were, you know, assholes. So I'm 100% sure people were killed, but it was not in a ritual.
SPEAKER_02Like, there's there's no like red dude with horns that's like huge.
SPEAKER_00No, it was just an old guy with a three-inch penis who wanted to choke someone to death. That's it. That 100% born out of mediocrity. That kind of shit will have happened. I'm sure they've overdosed people because they were all doing these crazy drugs and all that kind of stuff, and they would have been feeding people drugs.
SPEAKER_02Awesome. You know, that's who it is. It's not Satan.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, so you know, it's you it's your creepy uncle that you don't invite to the barbecues, or that like when you invite him to the barbecues, the kids have to go inside. Stop inviting him to the barbecue. Please stop. Please stop. Call the police, put him in prison, please. Please, or you know, bury him. I, you know, like just stop inviting him places around children. Uh, but yes, please leave us a five-star review. Leave us a five-star review. If you want even more deep dives, if you want to listen to these episodes ad-free, uh, you can also join us on Patreon. Um, my other podcast is on there, Scandal Queens. I do some essays and breakdowns. I'm gonna start bullying Connie into getting in there, maybe posting some some little things here and there. She's like excellent at art and stuff. So maybe I'll bully her into putting some of her art up on the Patreon and stuff for some of our users. But lots of good stuff on the Patreon. So head over there, patreon.com slash newska. For me, you can follow me on TikTok at the real e b johnson. I actually you can follow me everywhere YouTube, Instagram, TikTok. It's all at the real e b johnson. That's me. Anything else is not me. And yeah, that's pretty much me. Connie, where can they find you?
SPEAKER_02Contrary Constance on TikTok. And I will be changing my name on Instagram back, like to Contrary Constance. So it should, I should do that in the next day also. So but at the moment it's still just Rainbow's Moonbeam because delusional. Delusional me make that.
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